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Made this as all the other macros I found were missing one crucial step and the macro would often fail: /macrolock
/macroicon "Fuma Shuriken"
/macrolock
/ac "Ten" <wait.1>
/ac "Ninjutsu" <t>
/macroicon "Katon"
/macrolock
/ac "Chi" <wait.1>
/ac "Ten" <wait.1>
/ac "Ninjutsu" <t>
/macroicon "Raiton"
/macrolock
/ac "Ten" <wait.1>
/ac "Chi" <wait.1>
/ac "Ninjutsu" <t>
/macroicon "Hyoton"
/macrolock
/ac "Ten" <wait.1>
/ac "Jin" <wait.1>
/ac "Ninjutsu" <t>
/macroicon "Huton"
/macrolock
/ac "Jin" <wait.1>
/ac "Chi" <wait.1>
/ac "Ten" <wait.1>
/ac "Ninjutsu" <me>
/macroicon "Doton"
/macrolock
/ac "Ten" <wait.1>
/ac "Jin" <wait.1>
/ac "Chi" <wait.1>
/ac "Ninjutsu"
/macroicon "Suiton"
/macrolock
/ac "Ten" <wait.1>
/ac "Chi" <wait.1>
/ac "Jin" <wait.1>
/ac "Ninjutsu" <t>
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Putting the Ninjutsu in a macro is a bad idea. The reason being that the minimum /wait (or <wait>) time is 1 second, while the Mudras have a cooldown of only .5 seconds. Macros will make the Ninjutsu take twice the time of just pressing the buttons yourself.
I agree with you on that, but some want to deal with it in macros instead. Its not that much longer really.
It's better to have a slower macro than to screw up or forget the combo.
It's not worth it ever :/ Not for how much time you lose in rotation to let the game slow it down even more then it already does. The combinations aren't hard to remember either since the only thing with any control on what you get is the last mudra to go off.
Really the only reason to suffer the damage loss from a macro is if you can't get the game to ever stop lagging.
Using a macro for Ninjutsus you're basically wasting an entire gcd. Which is very bad for long fights. The best way to learn them is by doing them yourself not by using macros. And frankly if you'd rather use macros than learn your Ninjutsus, you really shouldn't be playing Ninja.
You can even order your Mudras in such a way that Huton and Suiton (your main 3-part Ninjutsus for single target damage) are both literally just hitting 3 buttons right next to each other in order, one forward and one backwards. With that order Raiton and Katon are also hitting two Mudras in order, and Doton is pretty simple as well.
^ This.
I've got my Mudras bound to Shift+3,4,5. 5-4-3 is Huton, 3-4-5 is Suiton, 3-4 is Raiton, and 4-3 is Katon. Super easy to remember.
I'm using controller with ninjutsu stuff set to LT+buttons. Everything just either goes in a clockwise or counterclockwise motion instead but based on the same principle as with keyboard. Let's me move around freely as well.
Yes, the default wait time is 1 second unless you change it to be longer or shorter than 1 second. so for example you could do shuriken as
/ac "Ten"
/wait .5
/ac "Ninjutsu" <t>
^ with the wait set at .5 it will be half a second wait time.
No, no it won't. That will still be one second. While /wait will accept non-integer values it has a minimum time of 1 second. In fact, the only values it "accepts" are numbers between 1 and 60. Anything below a 1 is rounded up, and anything above a 60 is treated as 0.
Specifically it looks like it's doing the following with wait values:
waitTime = round(time)
if(waitTIme > 60)
waitTime = 0
This means that any time below 0.5 will be registered as 0 as well. You can test this yourself, I've made two macros that will show it:
https://gist.github.com/MilleXIV/1eb5261a71178430d98bYou also can't get around the wait time issue on the longer ones by trying to queue up a 2nd mudra. Despite the fact that most actions will have a very slight moment where you can hit em before the global cooldown ends this will not work on macros :/ Automated system will always be slower then a player.
/wait does not accept non-integer values. A /wait 2.5 will be treated as /wait 2. Unless they changed it, but I don't think they did.
Nah, it accepts any numeric value. Like I said, it does a round. If you check out the macros I posted one uses .5 and the other uses .4. The .5 macro rounds up to 1 second each, while the .4 rounds down to 0.
After a bit more experimenting it seems that it drops to 1 digit after the decimal, then rounds it. I tried with .48 and .43 and both of them dropped to 0.
If it rounds to an integer, naturally .48 would round to 0.
Nah, it'd have to set or change the precision first. Rounding 0.48 will round 0.4 to 0.5, then 0.5 to 1, unless you change it to only using 1 digit of precision. Unless they're using a bad math library, which will only use 1 digit of precision regardless.
The first digit is the only one you look at when rounding. .48 is closer to 0 therefore it gets rounded down.
1 digit precision has nothing to do with rounding, it has to do with the actual numeric value. 1 digit precision means that it has 1 decimal place.
And I assume they have it like they do on purpose. If they had any decimal places in their macros then people would just use that for their rotations and ignore using actual abilities.
Eh, precision in rounding can be important. Most languages include digits of precision in their rounding libraries. For example, in Python: round(round(0.46, 1)) would return 1, while round(round(0.43, 1)) would return 0 (along with round(0.46) which defaults precision to 0.
If they convert the passed in number to 1 digit of precision before passing it to their actual rounding, it could very well round 0.48 to 1 (usually this would happen if they used their own util library with a rounding function for consistency).
But then their rounding would just be... wrong. If anything a .48 rounded with a precision of 1 should be .5 and 0 should be 0.
Yes, 0.48 rounded with a precision of 1 would be 0.5, but that's the conversion to 1 digit of precision. After that is where they would perform the actual rounding. Converting properly to the correct digit of precision is very important when you can't control what your input value will be, or if your end results requires greater than 0 precision (i.e. physics, engineering, banking, etc.). Of course, in this case it looks like they just round with 0 digits of precision.
Oh, I get it. I am right, you just have two rounds there. -.-
Take your round(round(.46, 1)).
First it does round(.46, 1) which rounds to. 5. Then it does round(.5) which puts it at 1. Your definition of precision is still incorrect and only made accurate in this case by the double round.
Rounding *is* what you use when you can't control the input. And if we're going to start talking physics, precision there is completely different. Precision in physics involves keeping a set amount of digits after the amount of digits of the actual data. Then there's some fun formulas to figure out the actual precision of the data (which is the +- x number part) but I honestly can't remember that part.
Yes, I do have two rounds in there. The first round is a conversion to 1 digit of precision. The second round is the actual round. Converting to a specific precision has its uses. Again, it looks like they're using 0 digits of precision here which is fine, but there are rounding cases where you will use more than one digit of precision.
Try as I might I fail to see any point in using the double rounding like you have, since the only numbers changed are in the .45-.49 range. If you want to round everything up there are much easier ways to do that.
The most likely case for a double conversion on their end (which would have been the case if /wait 0.48 had rounded up) would be if they used their own rounding function which converted all input to the proper precision. Such that instead of calling round for themselves they would call something like FFXIV.Util.round(val, [precision = 1]) which ran the precision conversion before actually rounding.
But then it wouldn't be the proper precision or rounding lol... I almost feel like you're just trolling at this point but Mille trolling is an alien concept to me so I'm not sure what to think.
But if they can invent their own rounding can I invent my own addition? In that case I declare that 2+2= potato.
I'm not exactly sure how that wouldn't be proper precision or rounding. The reason for rounding to 1 digit of precision is for accuracy on calculations performed with the number. In this case, that is not necessary as they round with 0 digits of precision.
You are right about what precision is used for but wrong in what it is. In no world does .48 round to 1.
Does no one use 3rd party macros for stuff like this? I have Gkeys just hanging out on my keyboard
Not everyone has super cool gaming keyboards and whatnot.
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I game with all razer gear. Razer Naga 2014 mouse 4 lyfe ;]
I must admit one thing, Whoever put the time and effort into sharing and caring about other people experience gets applause. I feel you have a very good rotation and people that are knocking the sharer in information, I haven't seen you put up work and to scrutinize the person isn't right. BIG CLAPS FOR THE INFORMATION> YET THEM TALK THANK YOU FOR Macro and Rotation. SMILE...You made somebody else troublesome less trouble.
How is reducing people's dps caring about them? And it's not really hard to make macros, these are pretty simple ones that pretty much anybody could make.
And we (or at least I) have tried helping people who may happen to think Ninja macros are a good idea learn to play Ninja without macros.
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Yeah. using these Macros will literally cut your DPS dramatically, if not in half. Tried using macros to conserve hot bar space when i was on PS4 and found no easy solution. Best thing to do is to play without them and not be a lazy fuck easy as that.
Wasn't scrutinizing, we merely state the obvious.
Macros for ninjutsu are not helpful at all... They've been posted repeatedly too since people keep making the same mistake. Wanna know what's actually helpful? Post-it notes with the combos... Attach em where you can easily see em. Did this back when we only had the prelim patch notes on ninja >_>
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Lol goin old school. xD post it notes xDD
I cringed.
Also practice helps. Striking dummies exist for a reason.
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^^^^
I am going to say this: My PC isn't the best in the world, and lag is noticeable. That said moves like Ninja for me often don't trigger as fast as I press the keys, often leading to some not registering at all and going bunny or skipping over. The macros not only sped it up, but made so lag wont play havoc on the skills. While yes it will hurt those with higher end systems who can run at high FPS, for those of us with slower systems, they do help.
Most Ninjas agree that if you're lagging to the point where you can't do Ninjutsus properly it's better to just use Raiton or Fuma Shuriken.
one can cut the wait in the skills down , <wait.1> 0.1 he has is the lowest,
with skill speed food or atma etc i've got dragoon macros, on low level dungeons the wait is slightly noticeable, however an 5 hit combo and dps procs ie 9 skills , or fast 3 hit combos faster than hitting all 3 keys
I need to retune my drg macros for speedier hits however they do go off faster than me having to hunt/pec skills ,macros ain't the problem its implementation/tuning, for boss fights its less to concern ,
Then learn where you put your abilities on your hotbars. You shouldn't even have to look at your keyboard/controller to know where all your abilities are. And with button/key presses you can pre-cast an ability, as in press it before the cooldown is up (mostly with gcd abilities) and the ability will still go off, you can'd to that with macros. I can even use only my mouse and be able to do abilities and Ninjutsu faster than a macro would be able to.
Also, while you're doing a rotation, you should be keeping an eye on all your cooldowns and buffs/debuffs so that you can think ahead what you need to do in the next combo. That or just memorize the entire pattern. that way you won't be searching around for what abilities to use when you actually have to use them.
for sch i use 1-5 macros or whm on banks 9/10 tank is 2 or 3 in full party.
cure/physic on <me> gem <pet> 2-5 cure <2> cure <3> macro has slight lag after casting say a dot on a mob however i can keep a lock on mob for dps as healer with occasional dots and tos out cure 2's to tanks etc by hitting a number
however having to swap targets of people and manually cure is oft slower
and manly leaches/esuna i manually dish, for whm i have a regen by #'s bank also. Epic fight more to go right.
If you are using a keyboard and mouse the easiest way to do healing macros is just <mo>. It just casts the spell on whatever/whoever you have your mouse over.
/ac "Cure" <mo>
/ac "Cure" <t>
A pretty simple macro, but effective for healing everyone, and it works with every single-target healing ability (and Cure 3).
<mo> also works for things like Fluid Aura or stun/silence abilities so you don't have to be targeting whatever mob you want to use it on.
so i was playing around with this and if you replace <wait.1> with <wait..5> it will make the cd .50 secs
Mana Nolava that's false. There is no way to make macros go lower than 1 sec. Just place ten, chi and jin on your bars then hit your macro. You'll see that they come off the .5gcd and the macro doesn't instantly use them. If you're not convinced then manually do a ninjitsu and you should see a very noticeable difference.
I want to thank those that mentioned how flawed ninja macroing is. I am returning and forgot about the minimum 1 sec wait. Saved me from making a mistake!
Yeah learned this the hard way, The Macro's are way worse then the actual button commands despite the possibilities.
Is there alternatively a way to do macros that would require manual presses for each step? Not worried about full automation, just an easier way to pick lesser-used Ninjutsu at a glance. IE:
press 1: Jin
press 2: Chi
press 3: Ten
press 4: Ninjutsu
Same idea just without the automation, a bit easier in mid combat while dodging poo and trying to miss the head bunny.
Please stop commenting on this blog.
MACROING YOUR SKILLS IS BAD.
NEVER DO IT.
HOLY SHIT.
The macros are actually pretty useful since you can still cast abilities while the macro is going off, Mudra is not on the same cd table as the rest of the ninja skills and can be cast simultaneously
You can't just use any abilities whenever you feel like it. They all have animations that have to play a certain amount before you can do another ability. That's exactly why you NEVER macro multiple abilities with waits, unless it's something like Swiftcast res. It's either wasting time (which for a dps is bad bad), or if you try doing other abilities while the macro is active it'll just interrupt either the macro or your abilities and mess you up.
If you're macroing rotations then do everyone a favor and uninstall the game.
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Thanks for sharing ;] If I use macros, I know I would butcher them or hit them when I don't mean to. I only use one macro for my white mage that gives a sound effect and asks the bard for mage ballad. But just because you're using macros for ninja, doesn't mean you should stop and what not. Kudos to you. ;]
Yes it does mean you should stop. Or at least not play with players who actually want to be good or clear things.
There is only 3 times you should ever use a macro in combat.
1. Abilities which you may want to have more than one condition for (healing abilities having both <t> and <mo> in the macro)
2. Things you want to put in chat (res macro, or just other stuff if you want to be annoying)
3. Putting multiple off-gcd damage abilities in one macro to save hotbar space. Though all off-gcd stuns and silences should be kept separate.
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Why tell someone they should stop playing a job they like just because they are sharing a macro. Maybe people should stop being lalafells.
Why play a job if you're lazy or not willing to learn it properly?
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If someone has a learning disability, like say remembering patterns for example then macros would help. I also think were forgetting that this is a game and should be played for fun. Also insulting a race in general is tolerable, can we not insult a persons character directly please
that goes for all female au ra. they are all disgusting.
Lalafell are Vertically challenged, though.
You need step stools to reach the counters even the shortest 'filthy au'ra' can reach without problem. D:>
That sounds like a more immediate issue.
Also, Jak suggests against using macroes, but they CAN be useful for one who is learning the class to reduce steps or complexity, while they master other parts.
While they are inefficient, if the automatic process happens to be faster because someone new to it isn't coordinated enough to do it faster, or it completely throws off all train of coordination, using a macro as an interim while learning may not be out of the question in regards to efficency while learning.
But for actual applied situations, when you are in a reasonably difficult trial that expects understanding of all of your skillsets, as they are designed to, you do loose efficiency.
Your Automatic to your Manual transmission.
Like... Trying to drive in San Francisco...
Jak is a very compitent driver with Manual. I have pretty much exclusively driven manual, I have never owned an automatic car, or used one more than... 15 minutes.
Now, San Francisco... Don't drive a manual. X_X Especially if you are learning to drive, you'll probably have your permit revoked for public endangerment or collisions before you are good enough to know how to struggle the roads with a manual.
That's when I'll argue Automatic > Manual.
Or towing.
Um, but other than that Manuals have much more control and IMO are much more fun to drive. And you can use your engine to brake and control speeds.
Automatic tranny's are getting really efficient (the same as if macros could be adjusted to .1 second intervals), but as they are now, like older automatic transmissions, are also less efficient in terms of power transfer (rotation speed) and more complex, prone to damage or failure (interruption and time lock of executing a rotation).
Oh, and Towing. Don't forget towing. >~<
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Then as a "filthy au'ra" I will say I've had much more fun being one the past month than being Lalafell for the past year.
And I also don't like using macros unless for announcing if I'm provoking something or reviving someone. But I'm not one to judge how other's play the game so if it helps, then go ham.
Pancake you were never a true Lalafell anyways, you should have just been a Miqo'te.
Pancake <3 /hug
You aren't filthy. ^^
A little scaly for Jak's comfort, though. /blush /edges away >~<
Kupo, you were never a true god, just a lalafell with mental aspirations. <~>
What can I say? I like cute, round things. But I'd rather hug them than be one. And I'm not a fan of femqo'te (aside from Jak and a few others). I'd much rather go Roe than that.
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I macro very little. Rezzes because people tend to forget I can rez. And my living dead macro because I have trust issues when I pop living dead.
But Jak, aren't we all gods of our own little universe?
Pancake, you are Vheo are exempt from all my insults unless noted otherwise.
Poor Bucket, Jak remember when you couldn't pull T4 with your bard and actually talked to Jak... when your nickname was 'Fuckupit Senpai'.
But then you got good after you learned things.
Which kind of shows you do get good when you learn things. MAYBE, this is a step in learning. Because You kinda were trash once, too.
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But I was never trash enough to macro my combat skills, rofl.
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Oh, for fucks sake, why do you guys even care? If someone macros their own skills in their own game, how does that affect you? And seriously, if you guys are worried about ruining rotation with 1 sec dif, then you guys aren't really "playing" anymore, are you?
I think this guy macros his skills. He's mad, its cute.
Why can't we just let this awful blog die? Even worse that people keep trying to defend it.
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Fair point, Kupo, so this will be my last response.
Yes, Bucket, I do macro my skills. 3 of them to be precise. Just so that I can announce something in chat when I use them. And I am mad. Not that you hate macros, but rather that you seem to hate everybody who macros.
Because if you have to use macros like this for your job then you should just find a new job. Ninjutsu is the main mechanic for Ninja, if you don't want to learn it properly then you shouldn't play Ninja. You should play whatever job you think the gameplay is fun (and if you have to use macros for Ninjutsu clearly you don't think Ninja is fun), not just play a job because of some Naruto weeaboo bullshit.
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thank you for posting this. I mainly macro rairon, suiton, and huoton, due to space issues on my hot bars even with a naga mouse. I wouldn't sweat it too much if I had an orbweaver though especially with how i rest my hands on the keyboard and the slower response times I personally have for reaching beyond the 5 key on my keyboard or using modifier keys
You are bad and you should feel bad.
well too bad for you I don't feel bad and at least i'm aware of my own flaws, I know my keybinds and I know my reach with my hands. it's why I plan on getting an orbweaver
I don't even have a fancy gaming mouse and I do just fine.
you likely also have a larger reach than I do, I still pull off great dps even with my macros even doing higher dps than other ninjas, bards, and monks.
I only use 1-6, still much less buttons than you would use. You don't have to have every ability attached to a key you know, there's this little thing on the screen called a cursor, it lets you click on things (I know, such a novel concept, right?).
Also the game gives us full keybind support letting us bind slots further down on the hotbars to things like letter keys.
And the only dps you're going to be out dpsing with macros like these are bad ones, so that's not something to be proud of.
you click abilities? lol u so bad. likewise I keep my standard wsad movement with A and D being strafe,I keep Q as sprint, I have a setup that works for me, I'm good enough to be comfortable with my class, I never claim to be #1. I'm just very good and know how to make up for my shortcomings.
likewise I have an issue that is a bit of a very old habit,which they could not fix in the 3 times I took various computer classes, because I have been using keyboards since I was 7, so 25 years now. I look down when I press letter key aside from wsad and q. that goes to further slow reaction times, with my naga, I have 12 hotkeys on my mouse, with 9 seeing regular use.
now then due to all of that if I factor in the orbweaver and how it can help improve my play, my speed would increase and I would have easier access to all of my hotkeys with minimal slowdown and would likely do away with my macros, however as for right now I'm making up for my handicap and still beating even decent dps overall. again, I know my flaws and I work to compensate for them, with only 3 macros and one being used only ever out of combat, it provides reduced impact on me overall.
There is no way to make up for the handicap of using macros like these.
And if you consider clicking abilities bad, then why use macros? They are even worse, by a lot. I mean, even clicking I can get 2 cooldowns/3 Mudras into a gcd, so if you can't then you'd be the bad one.
amusingly you seem to think the handicap is in the macros, it's in the time it would take to find a hotkey that is off of my normal setup or the time of moving my mouse from an enemy to the requisite actions. clicking actions is slower than hotkeys, even if the macro is slower the reaction time is faster than clicking
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If it takes you long enough to move your mouse a few inches across the screen that macros would be faster, then you have some major hand-eye coordination issues. You could also leave your cursor by your hotbars, you don't need to keep it on enemies, or just use tab targeting.
I moved a couple of my hotbars off to the side for all the stuff I have to click, while keeping the icons on my main hotbars to still easily see cooldowns. I never have to move my cursor out of the right half of my screen.
I swear to god this must be the first thing that bads get in google search for "FFXIV ninja macro rotation" just stop playing. Seriously.
It is funny you say that bad people must google this... since you are here.
